OG GenAI Skeptic; spoke at US Senate. Warned about hallucinations in 2001. Advocating world models & neurosymbolic AI ever since. Author, Marcus on AI & 6 books

Three thoughts on what really matters: 1. Fuck cancer 2. Friends are irreplaceable 3. The new "Marcus test" for AI is when AI makes a significant dent on cancer May that happen sooner, much sooner, rather than later. In memory of my childhood friend Paul.
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For a smart guy, Elon can be incredibly stupid. His Robotaxis don’t run at night because he took LiDAR and ultrasound out of his cars, and cameras can’t see very well in the dark. 11pm curfew. electrek.co/2026/10/03/tesla…
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serious question: can someone explain to me why anyone takes Roon seriously? did he ever build a company or publish an important peer-review journal article or come up with a significant idea? or is it just that he works at OpenAI and talks trash?
OpenAI alignment researcher btw
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The only way the AI boom doesn’t go bust is if it takes most people’s jobs.
For the AI buildout to pay off, Americans will eventually have to spend about 9% of GDP a year on AI services. Sit with that number. That is roughly what the entire country spends on food. A Columbia paper presented at Brookings estimates AI revenue would need to hit $3.5 trillion by 2032, about 8.8% of GDP, to justify what is being committed today. That is bigger than any investment boom in US history, and 7 times what Americans spend on phone, streaming, and internet combined. Now look at computers. Prices fell for 50 straight years, but business spending on them as a share of GDP plateaued in the 1980s and never climbed again. Cheaper and better did not mean an ever-larger slice of the economy. AI will almost certainly raise productivity. Whether it delivers the revenue investors are pricing is another matter. That gap is what the buildout is underpricing.
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I'm interested in people's reactions to this.
🤔 Why do people like @tylercowen, @dwarkesh_sp, and @tszzl go around saying “Gary Marcus is always wrong” when the actual data are quite the opposite, per the independent study below? Do they have financial interests in running Marcus down? Are they biased? Have they not looked at the facts? What explains the discrepancy?
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Another shocker!!!
Breaking news: AI agents with full access to your computer can modify files on your computer.
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Gary Marcus retweeted
At this point podcasters need to stop asking frontier-AI executives to forecast the future of AI like they’re disinterested scientists… Bring on computer scientists, cognitive researchers, or the computer scholars and people who study the hard limits not the men selling the roadmap….. “AGI in two years” is increasingly just the tech version of a godman’s prophecy: vague enough to sound profound, grand enough to go viral and repeated often enough that people outside the field start treating it as a settled scientific conclusion when in reality it’s all hyped and bullshit……
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Gary Marcus retweeted
Arguing that "consciousness arises from a computational substrate, and since AI models are computation, they are likely conscious," is as meaningless as arguing that "living creatures are made of atoms, and since this rock is made of atoms, it is likely alive." Everything is computation. Sometimes incredibly sophisticated computation, like a chess engine, AlphaGo, google3, or the Linux kernel. That does not make it conscious. A rock being made of atoms does not confer it any of the properties we associate with living things, also made of atoms. Likewise a static input-output program that has *none* of the properties we associate with conscious beings (e.g. information integration, interoception, temporal binding, embodiment, etc.) has no more reason to be presumed conscious than a rock has to be presumed alive. Humanity has not yet created a conscious computer program, and there are no signs we are close to doing so. When we get close, the case for machine consciousness will be backed by evidence and corroborated by consciousness science (which is a thing), not by evidence-free wishful thinking and cargo culting.
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AI is absolutely not going to double humanity’s GDP by the early 2030s. Why do we platform these crazy claims that never come true?
Anthropic's Sholto Douglas says AI capex could rise from $1 trillion this year to $4 trillion in 2028 and begin doubling humanity’s GDP by the early 2030s “Over the course of the last four or five years, we’ve been 2x-ing or 3x-ing the amount of compute capacity devoted to AI every year." "And so I think that’s roughly, together, the hyperscalers are spending about a trillion dollars this year on capex related to AI. A very interesting question will be, will that trend line hold, and so will it go to $2 trillion next year and then $4 trillion in 2028?" "And if that trend line broadly holds, and you can expand that to encompass the broader robotics industry, then that means that in the early 2030s, you start to get to the point where you’re actually effectively doubling the GDP of humanity, which, again, is a little bit of a ridiculous concept, but requires a lot of things to go right.”
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i point to a a more patient reply below (after noting that it’s actually too generous to the stated claim):
Addressing bullshit with careful analysis is a lost cause here on X, but I salute @stevehou for trying. (Note though that 2035 is overly generous to the specific claim since the claim was “early 2030s”, not “mid 2030s”.)
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The number of prominent people who have said stuff like this that are willing to make a public bet to put their money where the mouth is is exactly zero. (@elonmusk said something similar in 2024 about 2025; I offered him a $1M bet against, and he didn’t take it. Dario made similar claims, since proven false, around the same time, etc. Media never holds them to account, so hypers keep on hyping, without penalty.)
Anthropic Researcher Sholto Douglas: "we think AGI is achievable in the next couple of years — models as capable as or more capable than all humans, able to do anything a human could do on a computer" It would multiply intellectual and physical labor, potentially delivering centuries of progress much sooner
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Gary Marcus retweeted
Leaving aside Anthropic's incentives for publishing this research, there is no doubt that open weights models will soon create the same security threats that closed source models have been demonstrating, except without guardrails. We are close. Probably good to plan accordingly.
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Gary Marcus retweeted
I continue to not understand how open weight frontier models are supposed to be safe. Perhaps short-run the answer is that big OS hosts will not serve the abliterated models? There *will* be a major safety issue and/or very costly use soon. It's inevitable.
Leaving aside Anthropic's incentives for publishing this research, there is no doubt that open weights models will soon create the same security threats that closed source models have been demonstrating, except without guardrails. We are close. Probably good to plan accordingly.
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hey, @_sholtodouglas would you be willing to put a public wager on this?
Anthropic Researcher Sholto Douglas: "we think AGI is achievable in the next couple of years — models as capable as or more capable than all humans, able to do anything a human could do on a computer" It would multiply intellectual and physical labor, potentially delivering centuries of progress much sooner
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Addressing bullshit with careful analysis is a lost cause here on X, but I salute @stevehou for trying. (Note though that 2035 is overly generous to the specific claim since the claim was “early 2030s”, not “mid 2030s”.)
To double by 2035 in nominal terms, US GDP needs to grow on average 8%/y. So far this year, we are tracking some 6.3% NGDP growth while real GDP is only growing 2.2% so most of the contributor is inflation. It seems implausible that for at least the first 3-4 years that inflation doesn’t track higher with nominal GDP in an inflationary growth environment even if the adoption of AI incl robotics eventually does deliver strong disinflation/deflation on the back half of it. I think @dylan522p has predicted that in 2028 the US economy could grow 8% nominal with 4% real and 4% inflation. That seems optimistically plausible if we don’t get an inflationary spiral. But now imagine the scenario in which inflation is still 4% in 2028 and we haven’t had recession in between, that means that inflation likely will have hovered around 3-4% for the next 3 years. What is the Fed supposed to have done in this whole time? Unless the Fed intentionally declares a formal outright abandonment of its 2% inflation target, it’s hard to imagine that in the face of persistent inflation above 2% traveling in the wrong direction that the Fed doesn’t again declare war on inflation and go on an aggressive hiking cycle like it did in 2022 such that the target terminal rate would be whatever it takes to slow down the economy. In this scenario, if it’s to be believed, AI becomes a direct enemy of the Fed’s inflation target. Either the US abandons inflation targets and supports AI at all costs or stops/slows AI development in order to combat inflation. Fwiw, the bond market doesn’t seem to believe at all that AI will deliver meaningful increases to US GDP growth. At a yield of 5.3%, the 10y US Treasury bond is roughly consistent with 2.5-3% real GDP growth and 3% inflation over the next 10 years even if the risk premium was zero. This is clearly not consistent with 4% RDGP+4% inflation. The Occam’s razor is that the bond market is pricing a boom and then a bust in the style of DotCom. Now, a question for the AGI visionaries, which industries are the likeliest sources of significant contributors to GDP going forward? The often cited industries that use a lot of AI to improve productitivity have been elite financial hedge funds like Jane Street and large pharmaceutical companies that use AI for drug discovery etc. The trouble with these examples is that the pyramid’s base gets narrower as we approach the top. There are only so many Jane Streets in the world, leaving aside the fact that HFs are inherently zero-sum and JS will look for cheaper AI models/solutions over time. It’s also hard to imagine that pharma cos spending all of their FCFs on AI tokens. Ultimately to grow GDP, we need to just produce a lot more “stuff”. If AI drugs can lengthen lifespans, maybe that becomes a source of output. But AI is also supposed to make human workers less valuable as an input? Would love to see how maths on the macro on this. This is typically an unfair question to ask of technologists. But AI capex is so huge and the so far elusive ROI at the macro aggregate level just needs to manifest in percents of GDP growth starting basically now. That’s why so many AI researchers are making macro forecasts now I think.,
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fine. totally fine.
Updated hyperscaler off-balance sheet commitments as of Sept 30: $3.6 trillion. That's an increase of $500 billion in ONE MONTH (mostly NVDA) Expect this to 3x after 10Qs hit.
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87.5% of the most popular tweets about AI on X present numbers that are largely made up.* - 10% chance of extinction - doubling GDP in early 2030s - year in which AGI will arrive - etc *I made up 87.5%, because why the hell not.
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PSA: one of the most common rhetorical techniques in tech is to start with something very plausible (increase in capex to $4t) and go to something that has almost zero chance (doubling GDP in less than a decade), while pretending the two of our equal likelihood. don’t be fooled.
Anthropic's Sholto Douglas says AI capex could rise from $1 trillion this year to $4 trillion in 2028 and begin doubling humanity’s GDP by the early 2030s “Over the course of the last four or five years, we’ve been 2x-ing or 3x-ing the amount of compute capacity devoted to AI every year." "And so I think that’s roughly, together, the hyperscalers are spending about a trillion dollars this year on capex related to AI. A very interesting question will be, will that trend line hold, and so will it go to $2 trillion next year and then $4 trillion in 2028?" "And if that trend line broadly holds, and you can expand that to encompass the broader robotics industry, then that means that in the early 2030s, you start to get to the point where you’re actually effectively doubling the GDP of humanity, which, again, is a little bit of a ridiculous concept, but requires a lot of things to go right.”
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