To double by 2035 in nominal terms, US GDP needs to grow on average 8%/y. So far this year, we are tracking some 6.3% NGDP growth while real GDP is only growing 2.2% so most of the contributor is inflation.
It seems implausible that for at least the first 3-4 years that inflation doesn’t track higher with nominal GDP in an inflationary growth environment even if the adoption of AI incl robotics eventually does deliver strong disinflation/deflation on the back half of it.
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@dylan522p has predicted that in 2028 the US economy could grow 8% nominal with 4% real and 4% inflation. That seems optimistically plausible if we don’t get an inflationary spiral. But now imagine the scenario in which inflation is still 4% in 2028 and we haven’t had recession in between, that means that inflation likely will have hovered around 3-4% for the next 3 years. What is the Fed supposed to have done in this whole time?
Unless the Fed intentionally declares a formal outright abandonment of its 2% inflation target, it’s hard to imagine that in the face of persistent inflation above 2% traveling in the wrong direction that the Fed doesn’t again declare war on inflation and go on an aggressive hiking cycle like it did in 2022 such that the target terminal rate would be whatever it takes to slow down the economy. In this scenario, if it’s to be believed, AI becomes a direct enemy of the Fed’s inflation target. Either the US abandons inflation targets and supports AI at all costs or stops/slows AI development in order to combat inflation.
Fwiw, the bond market doesn’t seem to believe at all that AI will deliver meaningful increases to US GDP growth. At a yield of 5.3%, the 10y US Treasury bond is roughly consistent with 2.5-3% real GDP growth and 3% inflation over the next 10 years even if the risk premium was zero. This is clearly not consistent with 4% RDGP+4% inflation. The Occam’s razor is that the bond market is pricing a boom and then a bust in the style of DotCom.
Now, a question for the AGI visionaries, which industries are the likeliest sources of significant contributors to GDP going forward? The often cited industries that use a lot of AI to improve productitivity have been elite financial hedge funds like Jane Street and large pharmaceutical companies that use AI for drug discovery etc.
The trouble with these examples is that the pyramid’s base gets narrower as we approach the top. There are only so many Jane Streets in the world, leaving aside the fact that HFs are inherently zero-sum and JS will look for cheaper AI models/solutions over time. It’s also hard to imagine that pharma cos spending all of their FCFs on AI tokens. Ultimately to grow GDP, we need to just produce a lot more “stuff”. If AI drugs can lengthen lifespans, maybe that becomes a source of output. But AI is also supposed to make human workers less valuable as an input?
Would love to see how maths on the macro on this. This is typically an unfair question to ask of technologists. But AI capex is so huge and the so far elusive ROI at the macro aggregate level just needs to manifest in percents of GDP growth starting basically now. That’s why so many AI researchers are making macro forecasts now I think.,