the current way cloud agents are done is wrong i dont want new ephemeral sandboxes per PR (chores) i want a persistent machine with creds and context that i run agents and create PRs on (primary work)

Jul 23, 2026 · 6:01 AM UTC

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Aiden Bai
@aidenybai
Jul 23
this is to say i've recently churned off both local and cloud agents by biting into the Codex + ssh to devbox pill i was initially skeptical, but the product is pretty damn good. i can use my phone and computer and do all work on that devbox
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we're doing this
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We just made it possible to use any persistent machine you want
Cognition
@cognition
Jul 21
Introducing Devin Outposts: run Devin on any machine. Your Mac mini, a GPU box in your lab, a VM inside your private network, or a Kubernetes cluster next to your internal services.
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i saw :) can't wait to use
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Disagree Ephemeral sandboxes solve ever growing lists of problems especially as your work pair and team size grow
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i see, i don't actually "care" how it's necessarily implemented, just that it achieves the ux of a devbox. does that make sense?
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i dont think these are exclusive, having configurable environments and snapshotting them means you can spin up as many identical dev boxes as you need.
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what do you think of @davidcrawshaw's exe.dev?

exe.dev - ssh exe.dev

Build apps or SSH into a persistent Linux VM. ssh exe.dev.

exe.dev
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and the most cost efficient, permissive machine you can run in the cloud, is a full VM on box at $0.00001/s for 4vCPU 8GB, with free 50gb snapshots box.ascii.dev

boat: Cheapest, Most Powerful Sandboxes for Agents

The cheapest, most powerful sandboxes for building profitable long-running agents as a service. Persistent Linux VMs with SSH, Docker inside, and IPv6 or IPv4 per machine. One command: `boat new`....

boat.dev
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we did this with Baudbot, but got caught up in other things and it got a little stale github.com/modem-dev/baudbot

GitHub - modem-dev/baudbot: Multiplayer, always-on AI dev assistant built on Pi - like OpenClaw but...

Multiplayer, always-on AI dev assistant built on Pi - like OpenClaw but for your whole team on Slack 🤖 - modem-dev/baudbot

github.com
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I still haven't fully figured out my preferences for all of this, sometimes I get so happy for everything to be local and at other times I just want to walk around and trigger agents over Slack 😅 don't think I have a preference about sandboxing, as long as it's fast
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That’s how Droid Computers work!
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its tempting but it's also a security nightmare if it's an actual always-on stateful box with git etc in it you kinda want the _semantics_ of it so that it feels like a stateful 1-piece but isolated harness, isolated git operations, and compute itself frequently recycled so that it doesn't accumulate filesystem drift outside of the data explicitly meant for preservation
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You can do this with @Letta_AI by running `letta server` on any machine - most of our dev work is done on a shared mac mini sitting in our office docs.letta.com/platform/comp…

Bring Your Own Machine (BYOM)

Make your computers available to Letta agents from the web or Letta app

docs.letta.com
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This model works well for certain types of development work, including shipping to production. Looking to add two engineers, one focused on going to market and one infrastructure and ops.
James Ide
@JI
Jul 23
Everyone can make software from any device, anywhere, any time
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Try Amp orbs before you set up your own VPS. DM me and I can help you get setup
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Hey! This is how amika.dev works. The sandboxes can be ephemeral or persistent Can control them over web, CLI, API, or from your favorite editor We're polishing it a lot. Would love to get your feedback if you try it out! Sign up has a free trial x.lingyaoai.com/i/status/2080006438261…

Multiplayer cloud workstations for coding agents and humans

Provision VMs on any cloud or computer, load them with your favorite agent(s), and then remote control the agents from any chat surface, app, or API.

amika.dev
Dylan Mikus
@dbmikus
Jul 22
spent waaaaay too much time on our new amika.dev website...
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curious what your thoughts are on this? docs.opencomputer.dev/agent-…
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a fine idea :)
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cole murray
@colemurray
Jul 23
I don’t think you actually want that given where things are trending. your single machine will become resource constrained as well as accumulate drift. we have what you described: a cloud dev desktop, and they suck lol assuming agents continue to progress, you will have hundreds of sessions running simultaneously and a single host would become a bottleneck. cloud agents in their current vm per session allow you a reproducible, scalable solution. A task needs 8x B200s? Spin up the respective hardware.
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my boy, a computer?
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if creds and context are properly loaded into the sandboxes what's the practical difference
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sounds like you just need good persistent sandboxes, spawn as many as you want, keep them alive for as long as you want
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this is @aeonframework ser everything works on github
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that's also what we're looking for as well lol
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hard agree - that's why so many companies are rolling their own. tons of this comes down to enterprise-level configurability and customizability nobody has yet
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Have you tried remote ssh in cursor? Works with Remote Control too
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eve.dev @davidcrawshaw

eve – durable AI agent framework

Like Next.js for agents. Build durable agents with one folder.

eve.dev
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how is this different from a VPS? Whole purpose of cloud agent is full isolation + scalability. If you can build ephemeral environments quickly, with all your creds imported on startup you are reaching the same level of comfort with full isolation of changes Persistency achieved with snapshots
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This is exe.dev! @davidcrawshaw

exe.dev - ssh exe.dev

Build apps or SSH into a persistent Linux VM. ssh exe.dev.

exe.dev
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I like @exedev for this
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